by the severinge of his head from his body Of w[hi]ch sentence execuc[i]on yet remayneth to be done

[liadnan]

Well, maybe not. But, as Nosemonkey asks, is David Cameron a closet Whig? He appears to be calling for the eminently sensible idea of removing a chunk of the most important prerogative powers to Parliament: not the very few powers that really do remain with HM personally on taking such advice as seems appropriate, but those exercised by her government, including declaration of war. About time we dealt with this, not that I'm particularly in favour of a formal constitution as a higher law.

Went idly looking for the list of regicides: Wikipedia gives us this. They include an ancestor of my head of chambers and an ancestor of a girl I used to fancy desparately. Also one Robert Tichbourne, which slightly surprises me, I thought the Tichbournes were recusants all the way.

I feel for the fates of Hardress Waller, James Temple, and Gilbert Millington myself.

ETA: (mainly links for my own benefit) in the meantime our current lords and masters seek to make it an awful lot easier to circumvent Parliament in making what may well post Jackson be considered primary legislation. See a decentish article in The Times as well.

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[f4f3.livejournal.com]

DC is really starting to get on my nerves - praising Blair, denouncing Thatcher, scorning tax cuts, matching Labour spending plans, and now attacking the Monarchy!

If he has this affect on me, God knows how Tories must be feeling...

[miss-annersley.livejournal.com]

[hello - excuse me posting in your LJ unintroduced - have an interest in C17 history which I think I share with you? Arrived via Spyinthehaus's flist]

I think it must be a different branch of Tichbornes, or different family altogether. I looked into this Robert Tichborne a bit, and he was one of the radical Londoners (was an alderman from 1649 onwards) dealt with in part in Brenner, 'Merchants and Revolution'.

[liadnan]

He seems more often spelt Tichbourne, as opposed to Tichborne, (as in Chidiock in the 16th c and the Claimant in the 19th, and the village in Hants near where I grew up, all of which are to do with the recusant lot), but that's probably not a great decider in the 17th century. But I agree likely to be a different branch (though some recusants did come out for Parliament I think: despite what many of his opponents thought Charles I wasn't that pro-Catholic at all, but the radical London lot were unlikely to include recusants).

I'm not actually really a 17th century historian at all, I used to be a late antique/byzantine/early med changing to celtic early med historian with a hobbyish interest in 14th and 15th century english history on the side. Which is more than enough to claim anything approaching expertise in. But these days I'm a lawyer with a habit of pontificating on politico-legal theory, plus an interest in english recusant history, which means you inevitably end up in the 17th century. Last time I formally studied the period as history, rather than as constitutional law it was A levels though...

[miss-annersley.livejournal.com]

I have to say I didn't check the spelling before I posted! Just went with what I remembered - took the spelling from Woodhead's 'Rulers of London', I think, or from his father's will... not that it matters much anyway, and as you say, spellings are not fixed in the 17th century. His father was also a citizen of London (a Skinner) so if they were a divergent branch they probably diverged before the 1600s.

I grew up near the Hampshire Tichborne as well - in Fareham - we used to go to the pick-your-own nurseries in Tichborne to get fruit for jamming.

My research int. is in Anglo-Dutch relations in the later C17, but it's impossible to study the C17 without looking at the Civil War - the more I look at it, the more I realise exactly how fundamental a period it was for all subsequent periods (as your post indicates). Occasionally I come across recusants as well (Richard Verstegan et al), spouting anti-Dutch bile and getting the equivalent in return...

regicide robert tichborne

[(Anonymous)]

Just happened to catch this exchange.

Robert Tichborne the regicide was indeed related to the recusant Hampshire Tichbornes and to Chidiock (of Babington Plot fame - another potential 'regicide'!). Robert's branch of the family settled in Cowden in Kent and his uncle built Crippenden Manor. Robert still has direct descendants living and bearing the name Tichborne.

The spelling of Tichborne has varied considerably though the 'proper' spelling is now Tichborne.

The Hampshire branch remained recusants and are still Roman Catholic. The last Baronet (14th), Sir Anthony Doughty-Tichborne (my grandfather) died in 1968 and my cousins still live at Tichborne.

[(Anonymous)]

Fun image for you:

"At the signing of the King's death warrant Oliver [Cromwell] and Henry Marten were inking one another's faces like schoolboys."
Christopher Hill, "God's Englishmen", p. 185.

(This as part of a more general look at Cromwell larking about and not being the misery-guts we think him. Stress seemed to make him silly.)

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